Oregonian Crap Story: Business, La Raza Causa and Churches Unite to shove Amnesty down the throats of Oregonians
March 10, 2009
Pro-Illegal Oregonian Crap : Business, La Raza Causa and Churches unite to Force Amnesty for Illegal Mexicans
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/oregon_groups_unite_on_immigra.html
Oregonian story of March 7th, consisted of thinly veiled threats and pro-amnesty garbage. In summation : Churches need more parishioners, Businesses want to continue to hire cheap mexicans over Americans, and La Raza Causa wants Mexicans to have Amnesty. The Oregon legislature is controlled by democrats who say no bills that enforce immigration laws, will even be heard in Salem. In the meantime, most of those arrested in Oregon are mexicans, mostly illegal.The Oregonian suppresses this information.
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(The Oregonian couldn’t write a decent story on the subject if they tried,)
You know how everybody like those forfiture laws for drug dealers? You know, the one where the government seizes their house, boat and cars?
Let’s have one for hiring illegals.
Hire Jose to build your deck and lose your home. If a contractor hires an illegal, his business is seized.
I bet that would stop things fast.
The opposition Opponents of legal and illegal immigration advocate a different kind of overhaul. Enforcement and a severe reduction of current immigration levels should be its pillars, said Jim Ludwick, president of Oregonians for Immigration Reform. In the meantime, the state should help fix the system.
A handful of Republican lawmakers in Salem have introduced a dozen immigration-related bills, ranging from requiring proof of legal presence to be hired by the state to requiring employers to verify employees’ legal status through the federal E-Verify database.
“Yes, the immigration system needs to be fixed, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon,” said Rep. Kim Thatcher, R-Keizer. “And I don’t picture some of these issues being addressed by Congress.”
But the political reality in Salem doesn’t favor Thatcher’s bills. At a recent meeting at the Capitol, Debbie Koreski, legislative director for House Speaker Dave Hunt, D-Gladstone, told reform proponents that most of the bills would not even get a hearing. Republicans don’t have the votes because of the Democratic supermajority in both house. And legislators are still raw, Koreski said, from last year’s discussion about stricter driver’s license requirements — blocking undocumented immigrants from getting a license — and are not eager to take up the debate.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/06/09 at 10:45PM
another backdoor attempt at amnesty. when are these jokers gonna realize that honest americans will NEVER accept illegal aliens. what a bunch of bold faced liars. the only ones they have fooled are themselves.
Posted by grossmeyer on 03/06/09 at 11:09PM
“Employers want access to a reliable, legal work force.”
THEY MEAN CHEAP – ironically, once these guys are legal, they’ll want to be paid as much as anyone else and won’t be shying about reporting abuses.
“Union leaders want workers to have legal status, so that they don’t have to hide in the shadows and are not taken advantage of.”
THEY MEAN THEY WANT MORE MEMBERS
“And faith leaders want to show how the immigration system affects individuals and their families.”
EASIER TO GET GOVERNMENT FUNDING FOR POOR LEGAL FOLK THAN POOR ILLEGALS
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Posted by aphasia on 03/06/09 at 11:31PM
No wonder illegal’s are not a big deal in D.C. – apparently folks have already forgotten the illegal aunt of The Anointed One. Time to take a stand against the businesses that hire them – going after invidual illegal’s will not make a difference. My guess is that it will never happen as was so astutely pointed out.
Oregonian story of March 7th, consisted of thinly veiled threats and pro-amnesty garbage. In summation : Churches need more parishioners, Businesses want to continue to hire cheap mexicans over Americans, and La Raza Causa wants Mexicans to have Amnesty. The Oregon legislature is controlled by democrats who say no bills that enforce immigration laws, will even be heard in Salem. In the meantime, most of those arrested in Oregon are mexicans, mostly illegal.The Oregonian suppresses this information.
The Comments were excellent so I included them.
(The Oregonian couldn’t write a decent story on the subject if they tried,)
You know how everybody like those forfiture laws for drug dealers? You know, the one where the government seizes their house, boat and cars?
Let’s have one for hiring illegals.
Hire Jose to build your deck and lose your home. If a contractor hires an illegal, his business is seized.
I bet that would stop things fast.
Let’s have one for hiring illegals.
Hire Jose to build your deck and lose your home. If a contractor hires an illegal, his business is seized.
I bet that would stop things fast.
A handful of Republican lawmakers in Salem have introduced a dozen immigration-related bills, ranging from requiring proof of legal presence to be hired by the state to requiring employers to verify employees’ legal status through the federal E-Verify database.
“Yes, the immigration system needs to be fixed, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon,” said Rep. Kim Thatcher, R-Keizer. “And I don’t picture some of these issues being addressed by Congress.”
But the political reality in Salem doesn’t favor Thatcher’s bills. At a recent meeting at the Capitol, Debbie Koreski, legislative director for House Speaker Dave Hunt, D-Gladstone, told reform proponents that most of the bills would not even get a hearing. Republicans don’t have the votes because of the Democratic supermajority in both house. And legislators are still raw, Koreski said, from last year’s discussion about stricter driver’s license requirements — blocking undocumented immigrants from getting a license — and are not eager to take up the debate.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/06/09 at 10:45PM
another backdoor attempt at amnesty. when are these jokers gonna realize that honest americans will NEVER accept illegal aliens. what a bunch of bold faced liars. the only ones they have fooled are themselves.
Posted by grossmeyer on 03/06/09 at 11:09PM
“Employers want access to a reliable, legal work force.”
THEY MEAN CHEAP – ironically, once these guys are legal, they’ll want to be paid as much as anyone else and won’t be shying about reporting abuses.
“Union leaders want workers to have legal status, so that they don’t have to hide in the shadows and are not taken advantage of.”
THEY MEAN THEY WANT MORE MEMBERS
“And faith leaders want to show how the immigration system affects individuals and their families.”
EASIER TO GET GOVERNMENT FUNDING FOR POOR LEGAL FOLK THAN POOR ILLEGALS
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Posted by aphasia on 03/06/09 at 11:31PM
No wonder illegal’s are not a big deal in D.C. – apparently folks have already forgotten the illegal aunt of The Anointed One. Time to take a stand against the businesses that hire them – going after invidual illegal’s will not make a difference. My guess is that it will never happen as was so astutely pointed out.
Posted by gmj on 03/06/09 at 11:33PM
The drive to grant citizenship is ludicrous. These workers could come out of the shadows if they had a temporary worker permit. This would also eliminate the need for dangerous desert crossings on foot with “coyotes”.
There is another issue. When an illegal worker is granted citizenship, does he/she continue doing that hard manual labor? Or move downtown? Someone must have the data on this. It may be that citizenship puts an end to doing the work “that Americans don’t want to do”. Also, businesses like illegals because they work for nothing and have no rights or protections. Will they like them as much when citizenship is granted?
The mantra about “work that Americans don’t want to do” seems to come only from business owners. We have seen repeatedly over the last several years that Americans jump at the chance to take these jobs when illegals are arrested. In Oregon, many of the jobs in construction were held by Americans before they were displaced by illegals. This has a ripple effect. As soon as illegals enter a certain trade, the contractors who don’t hire illegals are forced out, because they can’t compete on price. It is the same as outsourcing, except that you outsource “in place”.
Remember that the 150,000 is just the tip of the iceberg. As soon as citizenship is granted, the relatives get an invite. Remember that the Hispanic birth rate is much higher than Americans are accustomed to. Remember that northern Mexico is in a state of criminal anarchy, which is now spreading into Arizona, and that Mexican drugs are pouring into Oregon, and that illegals are disproportionately represented in Oregon’s courts, prisons, and emergency wards. What is the TRUE COST of this “cheap” labor?
The census bureau says that the US population will increase by 130 million in the next 50 years. That is equivalent to 37 more cities with the population of the present Los Angeles. I wonder where we are going to get the energy, water, land, and other resources to keep growing our population like a third world country. I wonder what the US quality of life will be with a half billion people. Think, people, think. We can’t help everyone who needs help. Our resources are finite. Mexico needs to learn how to care for its people.
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Posted by Cordo on 03/07/09 at 12:01AM
Four out of five comments make sense. This poster makes no sense.
“Posted by gladstone on 03/06/09 at 11:17PM
I’m glad this paper is dying.”
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Posted by wch on 03/07/09 at 12:26AM
Pravda: The Coalition for a Working Oregon says employers can’t afford to lose the workers — there aren’t enough native Oregonians to do the jobs — and they need a better mechanism to get a legal work force.
BS. The unemployment rate in Oregon is 10% and on it’s way to 15%. There are plenty of workers here to do the job, especially once unemployment and welfare benefits start to dry up. Or, you could always consider WORKFARE. Yeah, y’all don’t know what that is, do ya?
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Posted by Gorgegirl2 on 03/07/09 at 1:02AM
I don’t know if Jeff Stone has been smoking something or had his head in the sand, but his comment “Americans don’t choose to do those kinds of jobs anymore,” is totally untrue. The facts are that his illegal alien friends come here to initially plant trees and then they go on to take carpenter and tile laying jobs by undercutting the wages of the US citizen. Furthermore, the hiring manager for the tree-planting crew is generally Mexican and is watching out for his Mexican buddies by telling caucasians that there are no openings. That is there way of job protection and it appears to work.Let’s not let the Jeff Stones of the world fool you. We need all employers to use E-Verify and be heavily fined and/or jailed if found to have hired any illegal aliens.
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Posted by H3RMAN on 03/07/09 at 1:20AM
“We’re going back to our basic faith values around justice, human dignity and the inherent value of all people,” said Sarah Loose, coordinator of Oregon New Sanctuary Movement, which unites more than 20 congregations that support immigrants’ rights, no matter their legal status.
Are you kidding me?! Go to NORCOR’s website, then talk to me about justic,faith,and dignity.
“Americans don’t choose to do those kinds of jobs anymore,” he said. “It’s hard work, with your hands. Try working 10 hours in the rain all day digging trees.”
Hard work? With your hands? What’s that? What they’re really saying in that paragraph is that employers aren’t willing to pay Americns the wage that Americans need to survive, when they can pay a Mexican a third less.
Give me a break! Do you think this country simply built itself into a super-power!?
“We want to make sure workers have a voice on the job, and it’s very difficult for workers to have a voice when some are forced to work in the shadows,” said Arthur Towers, political director for SEIU Local 503.
A voice for what? If their not supposed to be here, why would they need a voice?!What about America’s voice? What about all of the kidnapping victims, and people down in Arizona who have to go to work in the morning, only to stumble over some Mexican laying in their yard asleep?
“We came together to talk sense, to explain that there are consequences to enforcement-only actions, and to change the debate to a more reasonable, humane, realistic conversation, instead of vilifying a whole ethnic group,” Stone said. “Ultimately, we’re going to have to live together as a community.”
If you were robbed five times within one year, and four out of those five times the assailant was chinese, you might notice a pattern. I don’t see Russians swimming across the Rio Grande on CNN, nor do I see Africans pulled from the trunks of the coyote’s car.
We need reform alright. We need to get a government with a backbone that will set up a fence with armed militia at the border, and start treating this situation as an invasion. That’s what we need-less talk, more action.
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Posted by zobcity1 on 03/07/09 at 1:20AM
OK,I’ll be civil.
You portland,ore ARE headed for some serious judgement for your cursed filthy abomination sodomite tolerent cesspool reprobte mentality.
dont like it?
Look around.
Got jobs?
Got torments insteads?
dont like truth?
Wait till next round!
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Posted by zobcity1 on 03/07/09 at 1:20AM
OK,I’ll be civil.
You portland,ore ARE headed for some serious judgement for your cursed filthy abomination sodomite tolerent cesspool reprobte mentality.
dont like it?
Look around.
Got jobs?
Got torments insteads?
dont like truth?
Wait till next round!
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Posted by jexpat on 03/07/09 at 1:52AM
Nothing like an immigration story to bring the loonies out of the woodwork.
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Posted by laureenf on 03/07/09 at 3:50AM
Americans welcome all LEGAL entries to our country. We have laws in place to protect us from infiltration of hostile forces. If we lift or ignore our own laws we become vulnerable to another group of pilot trainees that want to fly into buildings. By the way…what happened to the group of middle eastern men who came here for some seminar and vanished into the night? I heard this about 4 months ago and the 13 or men haven’t been located and the story faded away with them…anyone?
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Posted by PEARLJAM550 on 03/07/09 at 6:22AM
what about the massive amount of illegals the agricultural business brings in to pick,process their products,and then when the season is over the illegals vanish into small towns across america and get stupid young/desperate for a man,any man, white girls pregnant thereby creating the next round of anchor babies that my federal tax dollars will house,feed,clothe and provide medical care for,even tho i myself cant afford health care coverage? why are people being rewarded for dropping their pants and creating more humans that they cant take care of financially?
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Posted by hornet100 on 03/07/09 at 7:11AM
Simple solution: 1. secure the borders 2. cut off all benefits and services to illegals and their children 3. arrest and imprison all employers who are caught hiring an illegal alien 4. arrest and imprison any public official who refuses to enforce the above. 5. Under the threat of military force, sieze enough oil from Mexico to reimburse the taxpayers for the billions of dollars of expense this illegal invasion has cost the US.
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Posted by rocky4321 on 03/07/09 at 7:30AM
the reason for why company hire hispanic is because no white person are willing to work for no less than 10.00 an hour and the hispanics are willing to work for that price.so it’s not the hispanic fault that the white people don’t want the jobs,so don’t blame the hispanics,blame it on youself,who think they are to good to work for that amount,enjoy being unemployed,i aqm a business owner and i do have alot of hispanics working for me,and they aren’t lazy.
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Posted by RU4Oregon on 03/07/09 at 7:32AM
Here is a simple start to fix this illegal problem.First, all of you need to stop paying CONTRACTORS CASH TO WORK ON YOUR HOMES! Wow, that would mean you would have to pay the true costs for the project. Most of you don’t want to do that do you. But until you do do that, don’t waste time complaining about illegals. You are their benefactors! And, stop paying contractors checks made out to them personally. Why, you ask? Because the cash them, not deposit them!!!!!!!!So what is wrong with that you ask? Well,alot! Not paying taxes is a start.First, if you pay cash or personal check, they use the funds to pay illegals cash, because they do not deposit the money!! They also don’t claim it for tax purposes, and we get to pay their share with higher rates for us. You and me.
Second, there is the great possibility the even if your contractor is licensed, you are actually responcible when his worker cuts his hand on the job. You get sued! He has no insurance for them.
Third, if you have a claim for workmanship, damage, a loss like flooding or fire, his insurance company, even if he is insured, may claim you did not contract his company, and not cover any claims you may have against him. You are screwed!
So if you feel strongly about the illegal worker issue, start today to solve it.Pay your contractors with checks only!Make those checks out to their BUSINESS name only, not to a personal name. They have to deposit all business checks, and now there is a paper trail! That means they will be held accountable for those funds. So If they continue to pay their illegal workers cash, they will at least have to claim the money and pay the taxes on those funds. That will make them have to charge closer to what legal contractors charge. You will now be protected as a homeowner.
That will allow legal contractors to employee legal workers, and send the unemployeed illegal home, or to nursery/yard jobs.This would make these under the table contractors pay what they owe to society, protect you the owner from injury claims, and reduce the number of jobs for illegals.
Additionally, make sure they are currently licensed,bonded and insured. Require a certificate of insurance from your contractor, AND all his subcontractors prior to starting any work. Yep, their illegal workers are also you liability!
So, stop paying these people with cash/personal checks today, and you will be starting to solve part of this problem immediately. If you feel good thinking you are saving yourself money, keep fooling yourself. You are paying more every day to support schools, medical, welfare, etc, by hiring them. You are taking the risks too.You are the lemons in the lemonade. If you want to pay cash, please quite crying about illegal workers! You are their boss!
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Posted by jojox1 on 03/07/09 at 7:43AM
If we the people would just follow the rules laid down in our Constitution and devote time to enforcing them, we wouldn’t be having an illegal alien deluge.
Who says a U.S.A. Citizen doesn’t “want to” do the jobs? We want to do the jobs at a fair market price, not below a decent living wage.
Stop supporting terrorist countries with financial assistance that don’t support our American values in their countries. I couldn’t get a loan for my business if I can’t show the government how I legitimately spend the money and enhance the community? If I can’t do this, why can hostile countries get away with any of our dollars?
Unions should be forming to bring integrity, respect and decent working conditions back to the working place. Our grandparents fought hard and heavy to bust monopolies. Our parents received the benefits of their sweat. And now, their children are getting robbed of their life savings, jobs, benefits, social security and livelihoods after spending our entire life working for the good of the country. What’s wrong with this picture?
The Constitution does not grant “automatic citizenship” to those born on U.S.A. soil. If you are an illegal alien your children are illegal aliens because you committed a felony to enter this country.
There is no protection under the Constitution for Sanctuary Cities. Stop all federal funds to cities that harbor illegal aliens under so called sanctuary guidelines.
Non-citizens should not be hired by federal, state, county and city governments that are supported with our taxes. Our government doesn’t have the money to pay us why should we be paying illegal aliens with no intention of becoming citizens? No loyalty to our country?
The solution is to follow the rules as written and protect and defend the citizens of the U.S.A.
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Posted by wadahoot on 03/07/09 at 8:03AM
Coalition for a working Oregon…Can’t find enuf NATIVE Oregonians…sounds right, most oregonians now are from Calif.
You give fat,lazy cows a choice between spitting out babies Octomom style and collecting all the welfare benefits, or actually having to do some work besides get impregnated? Getting paid to do nothing is the name of the game now. And where are the fathers of all these little bastards that should be paying child support or spousal support for the great white landwhales?
Not to mention all the men who are capable of performing work, but instead put all their energy into ripping off the system with their con jobs on the welfare system.
The USA lack of a real-world immigration policy is choking this country to death, among other things…
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Posted by nice1 on 03/07/09 at 8:34AM
I work in healthcare. All I see, all day, is one person after another on state assistance, for no obvious reason (disability), etc. We are giving our money away. I have nothing against these people as individuals, if someome gave me free healthcare I would take it also, and many of them are nice people. But we are supporting a lot of people in this country, actually an amazing amount.
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Posted by Xoregonian on 03/07/09 at 8:37AM
who are they kidding….holistic agreement.someone puleeeze…..
time for them to get every single illegal out of the state now.and their anchor babies.maybe if they went home and took care of business their families in mexico wouldnt be harrassed and murdered by drug lords.
if that isnt done soon….. very soon.america will lost to the ignorance of the mexican culture and go down the toilet just like thier countries.
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Posted by desertech on 03/07/09 at 8:40AM
People forget how simple a problem this is, because they don’t understand it.
Will illegals work for less wages than a citizen? Absolutely. Will illegals do work that citizens won’t do? Depends. Because illegals are willing to work for less, wages are depressed. Would more citizens do the work if wages went up? Yes, especially now. If wages are low when unemployment is low (as it has been), then no they won’t do the work, and why should they if they can get jobs that pay more? Now, when unemployment is high, if being on unemployment pays more than the wages available for doing the work, then they won’t do the work until unemployment runs out. When unemployment runs out, they will do the work. Bet on it.
If employers pay higher wages, will costs go up? Absolutely. People will also stop buying, and the markets will find a way to bring prices down. If you keep wages higher, then the costs will be driven out of other parts of the supply chain, because doing that will be less risky then breaking the law. For instance, produce grown locally will save the transportation and middle-man costs associated with long-haul delivery of food and produce. Guess what? Local farms are now back in business instead of being pushed out by agri-business. Lots of benefits.
Solve the problem. No amnesty. Require fair wages to be paid, require citizens who are willing to work for that wage to have preference over a guest worker, and put in place a guest worker program. Require guest workers to pay taxes (since they benefit from social services while they are here) and confiscate the business of any employer who knowingly hires undocumented workers or pays under the table. Let the market do the rest.
Problem is, the interests running the country have too much to gain. Amnesty creates a huge increase in votes for one side (you figure out which one). Guest worker programs without the right characteristics keeps in place depressed wages, and that benefits one side (you figure out which one). Each side has something to gain – who loses, is the country. We don’t seem to have the collective will to tell these “honorable” people to stop serving the special interests and start doing the PEOPLE’s business.
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Posted by borderraven on 03/07/09 at 9:02AM
We as a nation are at war. We are in a recession, facing another depression. It is time we get our minds out of the “peace time I don’t want to get involved” mode, and choose between self and country. Go to your city council meeting and speak for 3-minutes, on what being an “American”, means to you. Read the US Constitution a couple of times, taking notes, and read the Bill of Rights, a few times. Read the first, second, ninth and tenth amemdments a few more times. Try to realize the US Constitution is the “framework” of a government, and it grants limited authority, from We the People, to those we elect. The US Constitution also limits the power of the three three branches of government, and under Section V the states. The BOR, is not a list of our rights, granted by the elected government, but it is a set of restrictions, placed on the government, to secure our unalienable human rights. We are at war, we are invaded, we have been attacked. Will you surrender peaceably, or are you going to stand up and fight for the USA? Make a sign, grab an American flag, and get out on a street corner. Form a group of patriots, and confront our enemies. Borderraven.com
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Posted by borderraven on 03/07/09 at 9:15AM
rocky4321, if an employer is paying $10, then he should be providing state approved housing, transportaion, clean water, sanitation, clothing, safety equipment, medical, dental, safety training, meals, bedding, etc. I’ve seen the migrants living in worse conditions than animals. I know about the underage prostitutes, some farmers bring in to keep the men in the fields. This is not right. It must end. I am working to end it. BorderRaven.com
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Posted by joeyjojojr on 03/07/09 at 9:35AM
Typical Oregonian reporting. If it’s something they support, then it becomes a growing chorus of varied groups pushing for it.
Not enough native Oregonians to do the jobs? The unemployment rate is 9.9%!! Frickin’ piece of crap Oregonian reporters declines to challenge a thing any of these coalitions say, unless they are groups they disagree with. Then the groups name is always followed with a perjorative name, like anti-union, anti-civil rights, or anti-immigrant. The MSM can’t die fast enough.
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Posted by billdabutcha on 03/07/09 at 9:38AM
i love how this story fails to mention the illegal immigrants in our prison systems. automatic deportation???????
“…Oregon New Sanctuary Movement, which unites more than 20 congregations that support immigrants’ rights, no matter their legal status…”
if they are not citizens of the united states, they should not have any rights granted from the united states constitution.
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Posted by schmuck283 on 03/07/09 at 9:42AM
You know how everybody like those forfiture laws for drug dealers? You know, the one where the government seizes their house, boat and cars?
Let’s have one for hiring illegals.
Hire Jose to build your deck and lose your home. If a contractor hires an illegal, his business is seized.
I bet that would stop things fast.
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Posted by jim9953 on 03/07/09 at 9:59AM
If your business connot afford to pay at least minimum wage and provide basic work place safety then you do not have a viable business and should close down.
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Posted by xlntzee56 on 03/07/09 at 10:24AM
Here we have 3 groups (unions, clergy, employers) who instead of continuing to dig in and stand their ground, are trying to come together with a compromise, to find common ground. Nothing will be accomplished by refusing to listen to each other. Apparently the groups in this article are smart enough and open enough to to realize this and not closed off by bigotry and hatred as so many posters on this thread. All of life is a compromise, folks. If you take your stand with your feet in cement and refuse to budge in your though process, you will never move forward, but become a stagnant force with nothing to add to the conversation going on around you, and thus, become irrelevant.
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Posted by popppy on 03/07/09 at 10:39AM
Nobody is talking about legal immigration. They are welcome, as far as I am concerned. But the illegal problem is too expensive for all of us. True, they work for peanuts, 6-7-8 dollars an hour. Both the husband and wife. That adds up to 12-14-16 dollars an hours. Add to that no fed, or state tax and no S.S. contributions. Now add in rent subsidy ($400 to $600 a month), free education, free medical, Welfare money and food, food stamps, and when they bring in their aged parents, who get the maximum social security payments, over 1,500 each, you can see this adds up to a pretty good living. In fact a parent brought into America will receive twice as much S.S. as I do and I contributed for over 45 years to the S.S. fund. Sure, the employers love this. Low wages and NO benefits or S.S. to pay. I will never accept illegals. The fact of the matter is, that many of us would do better if we could register as illegals! Send them home!
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 10:47AM
all of life is a compromise? since when do we compromise with criminals? the law is not open to compromise. if you break the law, you pay the price. theres nothing hateful about the truth. it is dishonest to sneak into this country, and all others too. we’ve been compromised enough already. its time for the illegal aliens to be held accountable for their dishonest behavior.
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Posted by xlntzee56 on 03/07/09 at 10:49AM
popppy – Your facts re social security are not accurate. If someone has never paid into the system, the receive only SSI (supplemental security income) which is closer to $600/mo. I’ll wager that most of the undocumented workers take in a whole lot less than what you have outlined. Yes, there are cheaters of the system (both citizens and non-citizens) but most folks who are not here legally are afraid to apply for the benefits because they want to remain invisible, and not be deported.
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Posted by bajarat on 03/07/09 at 11:07AM
How many jobs were lost last month alone? Was it 651,000? And these same obnoxious ethnic-hustling dirtbags are pushing for another destructive amnesty again? How stupid and arrogant can these bozos get?
Illegal aliens are criminals and parasites, one and all. Their very presence here and practically everything they do on U. S. soil is illegal. They need to be ferreted out, rounded up like cattle, punished for their numerous crimes, then booted back to whence they snuck in from with such extreme prejudice that they will never, ever think of violating our sovereignty again. Enough is enough.
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Posted by xlntzee56 on 03/07/09 at 11:10AM
timmytom – This is a non-violent crime. Yes, I know you are going to point out all the murderers. rapists, child molesters and drug dealers who are Mexican – but that is a small percentage of the whole.And, so, we need to compromise when OUR COUNTRY HAS ALLOWED the problem to become so large that there are not enough resources (money, man-power, time) to go the deportation route.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 11:18AM
they’ll deport themselves when they cant get work, or a roof over their head, or a free handout from the govt. we dont have to arrest anyone, just let em starve in the street, then they’ll go home.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 11:24AM
so what if its a non-violent crime? its DISHONEST! since when do we reward dishonesty? if someone steals money from you do say “oh thats ok, at least no one got hurt.” hell no… you want your money back, and you want them to be taught a lesson. we dont allow theft here, so why should we allow illegal aliens to steal from us as a nation?
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Posted by jexpat on 03/07/09 at 11:38AM
bajarat:
You really sound like a sick individual in need of therapy.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 11:46AM
bajarat, dont listen to him… keep up the good work!
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Posted by grumpygirl73 on 03/07/09 at 12:23PM
Simple solution: 1. secure the borders 2. cut off all benefits and services to illegals and their children 3. arrest and imprison all employers who are caught hiring an illegal alien 4. arrest and imprison any public official who refuses to enforce the above. 5. Under the threat of military force, sieze enough oil from Mexico to reimburse the taxpayers for the billions of dollars of expense this illegal invasion has cost the US.
If you just have #2, 3, & 4 in place, you will never need to spend all that money on #1. Illegals come here for specific reasons and if you take those reasons away, they will go home. Most of them wouldn’t have to be forced to go, either. It would be so much cheaper than militarizing our border. I would also add very stiff, punitive fines to issue people caught hiring illegals. Make it a felony so they can never own a firearm again. You’ve got to make the consequences for hiring an illegal so ruinous, no one will ever consider it. It’s also excellent PR. Cut the benefits and cite the coming Depression and revenue shortfall, aggressively prosecute the employers and not the illegals themselves. Then no one will be able to cry racism and make it stick. This will only work, of course, if you’re doing this for the general welfare of the citizens and legal residents of this country and not because you really are a racist.
There’s no chance #5 would ever happen, so just drop it now. We’d spend more money on the military operations to seize oil than we’d get in from its value. Besides, with the amount Mexico spends dealing with the crime and warfare as a result of the drug war in the United States, we’re pretty much even when it comes to costs.
It seems to me that the majority of people who vocalize and organize their opposition to illegal immigration and amnesty for existing illegal immigrants need to learn to take a deep breath, think before they speak, and approach this rationally instead of emotionally. If they did, I’d join them. As it is, I’m not going to support a bunch of fools who haven’t come to the realization that many people find bigotry abhorrent and would rather stay silent than support a bunch of racist morons.
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Posted by jexpat on 03/07/09 at 12:35PM
timmytom:
You seem to be another with a disturbing pathology.
Here we have broad based groups attempting to come to grips with complex issues, and all you can do is rant like a juvenile.
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Posted by ruan1965 on 03/07/09 at 12:51PM
jexpat, it isn’t fair to refer to yourself as looney. The proper term is loon or crackpot. In any case, if people want to immigrate to the U. S., then do it the right way and follow the rules that all of the legal immigrants abide by, or don’t bother coming at all! Not only is it a monetary issue, it is also a national security issue.
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Posted by gladstone on 03/07/09 at 12:59PM
This paper needs to die. It may find a future in some sort of Street Roots funding or just get its funding directly from the Democratic Party.
Die Oregonian, die. Or give us facts rather than propaganda.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 1:11PM
yes, indeed, honesty is a disturbing pathology to liberals. this isnt a complex issue. its simple. some people think they can lie and cheat their way through life, and then there are the suckers who enable them. america is the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigration. we let in more than a million people legally every year. but being so generous still isnt enough for some people. some people couldnt abide by the rules under any circumstances, because they simply think that the rules only apply to someone else. come out of your sterile white world of ideals and try being honest with yourself for a change. no one tolerates a liar like another liar does.
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Posted by sie4 on 03/07/09 at 1:23PM
OK upon the Horizon clouds of crowds form and bellow in mass to bring on the riech of the illegal hipspicknish, to work for yesteryears (in multiple) wages. And we have all htese poloticians sniffing flour wanting this to happen, because their children who are in te beginning years of school don’t like the predjuice cast onto the holey issue of leagization. Someone should back offf from the baking soda and consider leagalizing pot
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Posted by bajarat on 03/07/09 at 1:33PM
Here we have broad based groups attempting to come to grips with complex issues, and all you can do is rant like a juvenile.
“Complex issues,” jexpat? What have you been smoking? Here’s the law, there’s the border. What’s the problem? It can’t get much simpler than that.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 1:55PM
oh, the complexity of it all… unions need members who pay dues, churches need members who pay dues, and employers need workers to exploit. oh, the complexity of it, i can hardly imagine it. illegals want to exploit america, some americans want to exploit illegals. i feel like i’m doing an algebreic equation. wait, where’s my calculator?
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Posted by arvida on 03/07/09 at 2:07PM
Each year, $25 billion dollars is sent by the Hispanic people…American born and illegal…to Mexico. I wonder how much of that $25 billion dollars has been taxed…to help pay for the excellent infrastructure…roads, bridges, sidewalks…Police protection…clean water and waste system, free schooling…think about it…and if the $25 billion dollars looks large…Each year there is $100 billion dollars not collected…non-compliant…think of Timothy Geithner…and several other nominees that Obama wanted but had to withdraw because of unpaid back taxes…and there is $100 billion dollars sent offshore…this time think of Bernie Madoff. And Obama is going to bring in an additional $186 billion dollars over the next ten years by taxing the “wealthy”…when if he would just clamp down on the non-compliant taxpayers…he’d have some $200 billion dollars extra to fund health care and schools…EACH YEAR.
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Posted by gmj on 03/07/09 at 2:45PM
Jexpat, the groups in the story knew in advance the outcome of their “long, complex deliberative process”. They then wove a story and a process which would safely get them to that outcome. I wasn’t there, but I would wager that the potential negatives of that outcome were never discussed. What came out of their process was pure, undiluted self-serving spin. They couldn’t care less about the impact on America. These are the same people who justify outsourcing. Their brethren in Mexico make up 2% of the population, but own 98% of the wealth. The same thing is happening in the US. I call it the feudalization of America. You have corporate executives (the New Nobility) and everyone else. The New Nobility believes they are entitled to as much money as they can possibly grab out of their company’s coffers, whether they succeeded or failed as business leaders. This is very similar to rule by divine right, don’t you think? Now if an exec hires an illegal for $4 an hour instead of a gringo for $8 an hour, where do you think that difference goes? In the US, the wealth of the ultrarich is increasing much faster than the wealth of the middle and lower classes. See http://www.clms.neu.edu/publication/documents/Wealth_in_America.pdf published the Northeastern University Center for Labor Market Studies. Now, who do you think is harmed the most by the illegal invasion? Low-income black and Hispanic American citizens. So which group of disadvantaged people should we favor: US citizens or illegal immigrants from Mexico? The moral argument gets murky, doesn’t it? Everything I’m telling you is in the academic literature.
What these pro-illegal groups are doing is nothing less than treason.
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Posted by jexpat on 03/07/09 at 2:51PM
Well, timmytom and bajarat- if immigration issues are so simple- so black and white, why haven’t they been “resolved” to your satisfaction?
Oh that’s right the evil liberals make things complictated!
…by actually thinking rather than reacting like 12 year olds.
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Posted by Kyleigh1 on 03/07/09 at 2:54PM
Look South; Mexico is in disarray, California is broke because they can’t bear anymore costs of illegal immigration. Right now 1 in 4 Kindergartener’s in this country are Hispanic. Beyond the Social costs look at the costs to country’s infrastructure. Both parties are to blame, especially George W. who allowed them in in droves to satisfy the large corporations that benefit from illegal cheap labor. But back in good ol’ Oregon, let’s encourage as many as possible so that the schools can continually get more and more federal funding. I know, let’s keep raising the min wage in our state so that employers you already cheat the system can continue by hiring large droves and pay them under the table. I wonder what the real amount in lost tax revenue is.
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Posted by bajarat on 03/07/09 at 3:16PM
jexpat spewed: Well, timmytom and bajarat- if immigration issues are so simple- so black and white, why haven’t they been “resolved” to your satisfaction?
Gee, it couldn’t have anything to do with the invader-hiring multinational corporations and race-hustling pendejos like the Tan Klan that have way too much influence over the vermin in the District of Criminals, could it?
jexpat spewed: Oh that’s right the evil liberals make things complictated!
It looks like corrupt politicians and that vile congress with an approval rating in the single digits are the culprits who make things “complicated.” Maybe they and you ought to try reading the Constitution sometime, eh?
jexpat spewed: …by actually thinking rather than reacting like 12 year olds.
So citizens who want existing laws enforced and criminals (i.e. your pet invaders/ squatters) dealt with are “reacting like 12 year olds?” I had no idea. Why do you think it’s a good idea to tolerate criminals? Enquiring minds want to know!
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Posted by ruan1965 on 03/07/09 at 3:21PM
Well jexpat, the illegal immigration problem hasn’t been solved because neither the Republicans nor Democrats want it to stop. The Republicans want cheap labor and the Democrats want the hispanic vote. The U. S. Government Bureaucrats have sold the American People down the river. Is that simple enough for you to understand?
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Posted by H3RMAN on 03/07/09 at 3:24PM
The problem is, that if Bush, or any other president for that matter, really did a good job of securing our border, which would entail using a wall, and mounted .50 Caliber machine guns posted at 2 mile intervals, then every liberal-tree huggin’ granola head would freak out about it.
That’s why, jexpat, it is made such a complicated issue. If I was president, this “crap” would be a distant memory, and I wouldn’t have to look at both sides of the box on any product ever again to find my language printed on it.
And Rocky4321, I never asked half of Mexico to come here, so why should I accept the the responsibility for them eroding our system? Because you’re a business owner, you’ve probably never been turned down for a job because you didn’t speak spanish.
You’ve probably never had your girlfriend denied “assistance” because she made ten dollars less than the requirement, while a Mexican woman in front of her; with two kids; a baby hangin’ from the tit; and one on the way is able to get help from our system because people like you ENABLE them to do so!!
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Posted by grumpygirl73 on 03/07/09 at 3:56PM
the illegal immigration problem hasn’t been solved because neither the Republicans nor Democrats want it to stop. The Republicans want cheap labor and the Democrats want the hispanic vote. The U. S. Government Bureaucrats have sold the American People down the river. Is that simple enough for you to understand?
Well said, ruan1965. Like the financial crisis, this is an entirely bipartisan problem.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 4:21PM
yes, politicians on both sides have their reasons. if you want to see action on behalf of the people, we need to all stand together and speak with a unified voice. end the dilemna by putting your foot down. say no to illegal aliens. tell your representatives to say no to illegal aliens. let there be no question that illegal aliens must return to their country of origin. lets get off of the nuances. lets make it undeniable. “NO” to illegals every time! dont let them play one parent against the other. STOP being wishy-washy. our weakness is their only strength!
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Posted by SiuslawAlum7 on 03/07/09 at 4:30PM
OK..I AM PISSED..THE COME HERE ILLEGALY. THIS MEANS THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW…GET IT..?? IF I BREAK THE LAW, I HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE..NOT HAVE SOMEONE RE-WRITE THE LAW FOR ME TO GO SCOTT FREE..GET A CLUE PEOPLE..I HAVE TO PAY TAXES TO THE TUNE OF 350.00 PLUS TO THE LOVELY STATE OF OREGON. GUESS WHAT..SINCE THE STATE LOOKS THE OTHER WAY ON THESE ILLEGALS..I AM SENDING MY TAX MONEY IN THE FORM OF PECSOS W/ A BRICK ATTACTED TO IT THAT SAYS BUILD A WALL ON THE BORDER.I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE COMING HERE TO AMERICA..JUST DO IT LEGAL.
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Posted by liberty42 on 03/07/09 at 4:33PM
Francesco Lopez is a bigot harboring gang members and wants blanklet amnesty for millions of illegal aliens. He doesn’t want to reform anything, but he wants Mexicans to come on over work for less and collect unlimited welfare illegally from the STATE. He give classes at the Chemeketa college to illegals on how to fraud the system.
This Mexican open border commie bigot Mr. Lopez is a crook, a special interest crook who promotes his race at the expense of us going into the poor house to finance this open border. He is a bigot using his race to justify criminal actions even protecting gang members. He is a communist, socialist, fascist pig who does a huge disservice to hispanics both legal and illegal. What he says is its okay to break the law, because they are Mexican and do the work for less. This guy promotes slavery among his people and ours.
Ms. Latina pride wants this country to welcome all people to our country not just allow certain people to cut in line after breaking the laws. We have legal hispanic American citizens for comprehensive immigration reform but the paper will never report our views. They are racists.
No Amnesty, protect the borders, no benefits, and no jobs for illegal aliens no if’s an’d or but’s I don’t care what race you are come in the front door not the back. GO back to Mexico.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 4:46PM
hot stuff!
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Posted by Marvinlee on 03/07/09 at 5:18PM
This reporter’s report is biased, and I doubt that she realizes it. Bias appears, not in overt untruth, but in selective presentation of facts and quotations. I consider only one: “for the most part, Stone said, laid-off American workers don’t want the jobs that immigrants held.” The Oregonian has not been an objective information source on illegal immigration and very likely never will be. I assume–with zero proof–that the declining fortunes of the newspaper are totally disconnected from its reporting bias.
In today’s employment climate, I suspect that many jobs held by illegals would be acceptable to non-illegals.
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Posted by Marvinlee on 03/07/09 at 5:19PM
This reporter’s report is biased, and I doubt that she realizes it. Bias appears, not in overt untruth, but in selective presentation of facts and quotations. I consider only one: “for the most part, Stone said, laid-off American workers don’t want the jobs that immigrants held.” The Oregonian has not been an objective information source on illegal immigration and very likely never will be. I assume–with zero proof–that the declining fortunes of the newspaper are totally disconnected from its reporting bias.
In today’s employment climate, I suspect that many jobs held by illegals would be acceptable to non-illegals.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 5:59PM
yea, conservative news outlets are booming, liberal ones are folding. but the oregonian seems like its doing alright, other papers dont get nearly as much feedback as this one.
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Posted by joeyjojojr on 03/07/09 at 6:53PM
Timmytom, don’t be fooled. The Oregonian is collapsing as sure as any other paper. It’s privately held by the Newhouse family, so it’s decline isn’t as public. The audit numbers had them down 8% in the 6 month period ending last fall. They laid off several dozens last fall too.
The high number of online activity is a reflection of the “keep Portland weird” crowd who are pretty unique. They give Air America pretty much their only successful station here. Problem for the Oregonian is no one has yet figured out how to make money off their news websites.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 7:24PM
the oregonian needs to smarten up and go conservative. stay ahead of the curve, so to speak. the libs cant wait til its dead anyhow, or so they claim.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/07/09 at 7:41PM
here’s an idea for makin money off the websites, include a coupon in the daily printed version that has a password or code that gives access to the web sites. then beef up the websites so folks will have an incentive to go online after purusing the paper version, which they purchased the old fashioned way. why not?
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Posted by KyBusch18 on 03/07/09 at 8:05PM
I’m moving to Texas, and taking my guns with me. If the government won’t stop ‘em, I’m up to the task. At least I’ll know I died trying…
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Posted by ctesiphon on 03/07/09 at 8:15PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyz22I6dgcY
North American Union…Super NAFTA. No this isn’t some crazy anti-immigrant, paranoid, story about a fictitious conspiracy. It is being worked on as it has been worked on for decades. Thank the media for such wonderful coverage of this issue which will most likely result in an end to our constitutional republic. oh and if you don’t like it? there’s plenty of merc outfits that won’t mind.
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Posted by bajarat on 03/07/09 at 9:54PM
ctesiphon wrote: North American Union…Super NAFTA. No this isn’t some crazy anti-immigrant, paranoid, story about a fictitious conspiracy. It is being worked on as it has been worked on for decades. Thank the media for such wonderful coverage of this issue which will most likely result in an end to our constitutional republic. oh and if you don’t like it? there’s plenty of merc outfits that won’t mind.
Unfortunately for us you are most likely correct. The Kenyan messiah has been empowered by stupid voters to usher it in, too. We’re screwed.
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Posted by sie4 on 03/08/09 at 12:19AM
der….reading all this BS on the polo-emisions- the porks who snif flour- why are they in their places? you are the people who elected these illegal pushing ***F***heads into their places to spew their ideas onto society >>>>WTF honestly
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Posted by sie4 on 03/08/09 at 12:19AM
der….reading all this BS on the polo-emisions- the porks who snif flour- why are they in their places? you are the people who elected these illegal pushing ***F***heads into their places to spew their ideas onto society >>>>WTF honestly
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Posted by sie4 on 03/08/09 at 12:19AM
der….reading all this BS on the polo-emisions- the porks who snif flour- why are they in their places? you are the people who elected these illegal pushing ***F***heads into their places to spew their ideas onto society >>>>WTF honestly
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Posted by ore2008 on 03/08/09 at 12:28AM
What a bunch of bull! Employers are afraid they won’t have workers???? Helloooo!! Unemployment at record levels, pllleeenty of welfare people to fill jobs. The MYTH that Americans will not take the jobs that the illegals are willing to do is just that. It is not a myth though, that some are uneasy about working with those that do not speak ENGLISH. Since they made those stupid laws regarding kids and labor. Most kids find it a joke to be allowed to work 8 hours a week during school (something like that, I know they have restricted hours). The kids I know would love to plant trees, or pick fruit, but no way would I allow a teenage girl to work in the fields along side some illegal. Get rid of the illegals, non English speaking people, and allow kids to work more hours. Oh, and put these lazy WELFARE moms to work. Quit paying illegals to have more babies, one baby on welfare and that should be it, mandatory birth control or pay for the baby yourself.
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Posted by EderC on 03/08/09 at 12:58AM
Only when “legal” Americans opt to work 10-hour days digging holes will there not be a need for immigrant labor.I also love how conservatives call for less government interference yet want the big boys in D.C. to require e-verify for employers. Whatever happened to free markets?
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Posted by alcrtt54 on 03/08/09 at 1:22AM
My view is that if a person came into this country illegally he/she broke the law and is still breaking the law for every day they continue to stay here. The issue is not that employers are going to be short handed or that Americans won’t take the low paying jobs. These are all issues and problems that have in fact arisen from the illegal immigrants being here breaking laws every day. Our government did not take care of the situation and stopped the illegal immigration when it should have. Now the problem has grown to enormous proportions. The problem has to be resolved no matter how late or how big the issue is. Allowing citizenship in any way shape or form is not resolving any issues. Anyone living here illegally is breaking the law whether it happened today or twenty years ago. What part of “illegal” does our government not understand?My other view is why is this the U.S governments responsibility only. Why are we taking full responsibility when a great number of these people came here from a country in which they are legal citizens. Why are the governments from these countries not taking responsibility for their citizens? Isn’t there some kind of international law that would hold these countries accountable for their citizens migrating in great numbers to the U.S.? I have heard nothing from these countries. In particular Mexico, Cuba or other south american countries. The mexican government for example does nothing for their poorer citizens. They have the means to develop programs or industries to promote their growth in the area of human decency. I feel so ashamed of the mexican government for not caring for its people. That is truly shameful. I wish our media would do some coverage about this on the mexican government. Instead their coverage blames the U.S. for everything. That is so lame.
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Posted by AEAlipac on 03/08/09 at 2:33AM
“there aren’t enough native Oregonians to do the jobs — and they need a better mechanism to get a legal work force.”
Translation…there are not no native Oregonians to do the jobs for slave wages and no other benefits.
I agree with the other poster as well, unions are on the decline and they want to get the illegals in to give them some revenue and power. Politics and money, that pretty much sums it all up.
I encourage ALL Oregonians, who are sick of the liberal and ethno-centric groups running this discussion, to step up speak out, get involved locally and nationally, PLEASE!!
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Posted by AEAlipac on 03/08/09 at 2:52AM
rocky4321, my own husband has worked for less than $10 hourly and supported a family on it, barely. My 68 year old mother works for barely 10 an hour, and it is a physically grueling job. Please do not use excuses for hiring illegal aliens, you should be prosecuted, under the very laws you are breaking, and you should be put out of business.
Simply said, Oregonians/Americans will work for $10.00 an hour, but let’s be honest rocky4321, we can all bet you aren’t even paying the $10.00 an hour you claim, I can assuredly say it is far lower than that.
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Posted by beanerguy on 03/08/09 at 3:21AM
Screw You Mexican government you need to take care of your people!!I’m pissed off!!
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Posted by aliensout on 03/08/09 at 4:59AM
EderC-Free markets DON’T mean Open Borders and ignoring the rule of law. If you’re advocating TRUE Free Market Capitalism in a Republic govenment, as this country was designed, then we need to also end the welfare state.
Would illegal immigrants still come if it was opportunity ONLY, with NO U.S. Citizen tax-payer funded safety nets, free education, free health-care, free child care, etc? If they HAD to learn English, instead of us catering to them with Spanish interpreters, our school system catering to their children with special ESL classes, so many jobs requiring “bilingual skills”.
Okay, EderC, lets try true Free Markets. Just be careful what you ask for.
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Posted by rocky4321 on 03/08/09 at 7:33AM
bottom line who’s working and who’s not,so if you white people want to work then get your head out of your ass and work for cheap so that the hispanic won’t take all the jobs,it beat being unemployed isn’t it
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Posted by webfred on 03/08/09 at 7:57AM
The immigration system is not broke, our will to enforce existing laws is what is broken.
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Posted by liberty42 on 03/08/09 at 8:49AM
The Oregonian is going out of business in the rural areas maybe not in Pagan Portland aka sin city, although the rural folks are boycotting it. Then we all fight over it at the library reading this for free, as who is going to pay a buck for this rag? Except some ignorant tree hugging hyprocrite yuppie.
Carbon footprint save a tree boycott liberal trash which promotes slavey and open borders. Our country is not Democratic, both the Republicans and the Democrats sold us out due to illegal immigration.
Both these elite claim to be for we the people, but we are too stupid to understand the two-party system sold US out for open borders. Both of them are full of crap. They will never fix this until we all vote third party or protest in the streets. That is never going to happen, because people are too stupid working hard for the machine or for the White white man who figures a way to repress us profitting off our ignorance in order to rule over and repress us. Just follow the money. What Democracy I ask? Our Democracy is bought and paid for by the elite whether they are liberal or conservative, they want illegal aliens and open borders. Wise up, before we loss it all.
The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. No where in the constitution does it say its the governments job to redistribute the wealth or give our money to charity or illegal aliens. Although we are suppose to enforce the laws. We lost freedom of speech the minute Mr. Newhouse bought this paper and once billionaires buy up our media, and they buy up people too, what we hear is not truth, but propaganda.
Look at the countries where centralize government or just one party exist where the liberal socialist marxist views took hold and you’ll see a huge decline in the economy because when the pilgrims came to America they tried socialism. It didn’t work, they all starved the first winter here. Then each person got land and was responsible for themselves, and then they all worked and had plenty of food.
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Posted by oldschoolduk on 03/08/09 at 10:13AM
Just doin the work Americans won’t do…….murder , drugs, kidnapping ,rape. US schools , hospitals and every other public service are over-run by our ILLEGAL problem. Our “Leaders”, in DC choose to look the the way while our way of life , our future , our country, are under attack here and now. “War on Terror”, what a joke…….chasing a crippled goatherder around the globe while EVERY DAY more ILLEGAL fence-jumpers put another nail in the US coffin. Sad but true…….President Bush , and now President Obama , wanna see our 200 year experiment in freedom collapse from within. We have two obvious choices , watch America disappear ,…….OR……..do what it takes to protect our families , neighbors, and our country. Shame on us if we can’t turn this around and elect leaders who care about the future of the U.S.A..
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Posted by coyoteman on 03/08/09 at 10:42AM
I grew up in the 1940’s in the Central Valley. When I was 6, I used to pick the cotton, left by regular pickers, and hoe cotton, when school was out. Near, Corcoran, and Delano, California, it was about 90% whites, and, 5% blacks, 5% in the cotton fields, and grape patches. My family never got welfare, and we had to work to survive. There were 6 children in my family, and we all worked.My dad died. We moved to Oregon in 1950. My dad had died, without social security, so my Mom got a job in a mushroom factory in Salem.We picked all the crops like strawberries, beans, cucumbers, and berries. We hayed, and hoed too. My Mom was proud, and never think of taking welfare.Often, the school teachers worked as our supervisors, and we were taken to the fields in school buses. The older and stronger children got jobs changing irrigation pipes, and driving tractors. I used to ride my bike 10 miles on a paper route, and then rode another 12 miles to pick berries/ beans. I do not recall ever seeing an Afro-American, or Mexican working in the fields in the 1950’s in Oregon. We Americans can do the work illegals do.I was able to pay my own dental bills, and buy my own clothes, with farm work, along with the other neighborhood children that worked too. The work was less dangerous, than sports that children play now.We finally were able to get cannery jobs, a industry, almost now, wiped out by unwise politics too. All of my family( 6 children ) were able to work our way though Oregon State University, and go to sucessful careers, and old age. Working hard at the farms did not hurt us. Anyway, politics has banned most of this work for young Americans, and the welfare state made work unnecessary. Now, the youngsters are banned from working, or lose welfare for working, and people have lost the values of hard work, and earning a living.I live in San Francisco, and it’s block- to-block illegals, sellng methamphetamine, crack, and heroin, brought in by big time Mexican drug dealers. I suspect about 1/3 of the illegals are selling drugs, and California prisons are about 1/3 illegals.We have about 30 million people, unemployednow, and if we go easy on illegal, we’ll have an overpopulation of 1 billion people someday, so if you care about this country, just say no.I’ve live in Mexico, and Brazil, for many years. People survive there good, and live to about our lifespan, but they don’t have our luxuries, cars, and big houses, and don’t consume so much resources like we do. We will be doing the world a favor, no allowing our over-population by illegals here. The world does not have the resources, to support our big use, by an overpopulation of the USA. I voted for Obama. He is a good speaker, but a greenhorn, whom I am afraid of might make bad decisions, due to the lack of experience. If he brings in the illegals, and gas goes over $6 dollars a gallon, because a bad energy policies… he won’t get my vote the next election.I would support a policy, that lets farm workers come in to work for 6 months a year, or foreign exchange students to work for awhile.Newspapers, need Ben Franklin like, wise people for editors, instead of the greenhorn uninformed, and inexperienced trust fund babies, that now we are getting.
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Posted by jexpat on 03/08/09 at 10:56AM
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Posted by HCerniak on 03/08/09 at 12:08PM
“…and allowing undocumented immigrants in good standing to pay a fine…”
Well, if they’re in the country illegally, how can they be in good standing? They’ve already committed a federal offense by sneaking in! What kinds of people are running this immigration reform movement?! They can’t be Americans!
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Posted by JUDGEM3 on 03/08/09 at 12:41PM
Does abeljohnson really believe that what politicians are refferring to as a solution really is one?abeljohnson:”At least there are groups out there trying to actually work to repair our immigration system by remembering that at the center of the issue is human beings. It seems the anti-immigrant crowd, racists and xenophobes come out to crow everytime there are solutions put on the table. They have nothing to offer but insults and hate.”
To bad abeljohnson doesn’t realize that our immigration system isn’t broken–just our borders.
Why is it when an American wants nothing more than to protect what’s their’s, some liberal automatically jumps to the conclusion that the person is racist? If I’m racist, you stereotype people. Also, if abel’s johnson wants to bang the drum “xenophobia”, then he represents the wrong crowd. The reason I say that is from what I see. Mexicans come here and say, “viva la mexico”, and crap like that. A mexican lady stood up during a local high-school graduation and said that very thing–right after the Pledge of Allegiance! F__k ‘em. Send them back. I’m tired of them, and I’m tired of the debate. We shouldn’t even let people who aren’t of our country shape our policies.
Abeljohnson is right about one thing: It is about human beings, and those human beings happen to be Americans. All other nationalities can take care of themselves, or at least they should be taking care of themselves.
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Posted by JUDGEM3 on 03/08/09 at 12:52PM
srwmww said: “I can’t imagine having a life permeated with the kind of hate, bigotry and fear displayed in oldschoolduk’s 1013 post.”
You must be reading a totally different post, because I read a post that spoke of protecting one’s country. On top of that, fear is not something to be afraid of, but not doing the right thing in face of fear is.
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Posted by ctesiphon on 03/08/09 at 2:49PM
one of the arguments for slavery’s continuation was that the economy would collapse without slave labor…that’s odd, the economy increased exponentially and made the USA more prosperous than ever before. that same tired argument is what is used to keep illegal immigrant labor on the front burner, that business can’t survive without it and the economy would collapse without them. eisenhower had the balls to deport illegals, in fact he deported ‘em in boats so far south that they would have a difficult time getting back, not this drop ‘em over the border so they can hop right back on the next pass. illegals get in for free while many talented legal immigrants are waiting in limbo for approval on their visas, these are engineers and doctors and other educated people who are playing by the rules and getting screwed, so basically our own government gives their full support tothe policy of “it’s only wrong if you get caught”, and if you do get caught but have lots and lots of money? that’s ok too.
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Posted by SiuslawAlum7 on 03/08/09 at 3:10PM
Simple solution…
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation We_bac_
now fill in the space with the letters t and k
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Posted by HCerniak on 03/08/09 at 3:20PM
The US should impose a ten-year moratorium on immigration. We went from 250 million in 1990 to 300 million in 2005. That’s 50 million in just 15 years! We don’t need to import doctors and engineers from around the world. We simply need to take better of our schools. We also need to shed ourselves of all the guilt the rest of the world has tried to saddle us with. Just because we want to take better care of our own country and rid ourselves of a little excess baggage doesn’t make us evil. We’ve done enough for other countries. Now we have problems here at home.
Mexico pays out $40 billion in federal fuel subsidies so they can fill up their SUVs for cheap. They also give free Viagra to men over 70 in Mexico City. Mexico needs to rearrange its priorities. And men over 70 should not be taking Viagra!
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Posted by pinfeathers on 03/08/09 at 4:12PM
By September unemployment will cause many of the drowsy, lockstep, give ‘em a pass folks to see the light.
This sleazy cynical play by labor – is a stuff the ballot effort by the same morons who’ve driven steel, auto and other manufacturing out of the country by their greedy grabs of power and money. Management isn’t innocent, but labor wants a place at the table with no skin in the game.
Remember the May Day protest of two years ago??? The boastful and prideful display of the Mexican demonstrators gave us clear evidence of who they are and why?? They’ve destroyed their own country and now they want to escape here – - legality has no real place in their bahavior. Witness the graffiti, the gang shootings – - just try driving abound Woodburn, Salem or Gresham at night. Take a look.
Wake up. If you can’t trust someone in the small things, do you trust them with the big decisions??
ILlegal workers are here first and foremost – illegally. Get it??
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Posted by watkinst002 on 03/08/09 at 4:30PM
I find interesting that with unemployement at 9% or so that these groups want to allow illegals to continue to take American jobs. People that by their own admission send approx 30% of what they earn out of this country. That really helps our economy now doesn`t it. Illegal is Illegal period. The time has come to simply end immigration into this country. Such an act would immediately have positive impact on our economy and quality of life.
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Posted by oldman5286 on 03/08/09 at 4:48PM
I can remember how heartbroken my children were when the State passed the law that would no longer allow them to pull weeds, pick strawberries or any number of jobs that were offered by our local farms. I forcast the demise of small farms at that time and look what has happened. It may have taken a while but now I forcast the demise of farming all together. Our Legislature just can’t leave it’s hands off of a good thing.
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Posted by coyoteman on 03/08/09 at 5:03PM
Most of the farm workers would like to travel back to Mexico after the farm work is done because the have family there, and cheap to live. The boarder is closed up, and it’s hard to get back and forth, so many just stay here. A Wall Street article said illegals were about 5% of the present, when farm workers could cross legally. Our hero Chezar Chavez didn’t want the Bracero program, so it was eliminated costing the lives of thousand of people in the desert.It costs about about $5,000 to have a baby in the USA, and about $500 in Mexico. The mothers are employed here, but the income is under the table, with no taxes, often, so a citizen from Mexico can have a baby and, instant welfare…food stamps, ADC, etc. because of the child. We need to change these rules.We could offer a work permit for 6 months for farm work at a time, for a fee like $200. A 6 month period per year would prevent people from going on unemployment, like what happened with the last amnesty. We could have a minimum tax of 10% on the employer, and the employee. We can also charge social security taxes, with the usual rules. We can change the citizenship, rules to require 10 years of work before citizenship. We could require a passport e,g. Mexican/ USA, to get any job. We could get the employers for not paying taxes or, following the rules. It may be possible to pay off the Social Security deficient using this kind of model. Most guest workers would return home, after earning some money, sooner, or later.I’d really like to see our own citizens taking these jobs, but who can blame them, if the welfare state gives people free medical care, food stamps, and a rent-free housing for doing nothing.
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Posted by ctesiphon on 03/08/09 at 5:40PM
nafta destroyed many farm jobs in mexico when large agri-biz gobbled up small farms resulting in a large number of mexican laborers who came here. the politicians and their bed buddies call it free trade as if it didn’t cost anything! didn’t cost them anything!
i have a perfect solution for this crisis. if we staff government positions with illegal immigrants then we only have to pay them half as much and no PERS bennies! imagine the hundreds of billions we would save! (please note the sarcasm)
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Posted by Casca2386 on 03/08/09 at 7:06PM
Our country is singing the blues about 651, 000 Americans jobless in February and yet some of our own politicians call for even more visas for cheap foreign labor? Even refuses to seal the undermanned borders with the National guard–to stop the never ending stream of poverty?
Every year this nation settles over a million legal immigrants, far more than any society on mother earth? We give more money to impoverished nations around the world, than the majority of the richest governments. Yet in our own land of plenty, thousands of American children starve in the Appalchian region of W. Virginia, as they do in a our cities with single mothers trying to live on church handouts and meager welfare.
Yet the people who we elected ignore the fact that THE PEOPLE , do not want any more illegal aliens stealing jobs from American Workers. We do not need any more imported cheap professional labor. We already have the “1986 Immigration Control Act” on the books, so we don’t need Ted Kennedy lying to us, that their “Will be no more Amnesties.” We need E-Verify enacted now! Not for 5 years—but in perpetuity? Senator Harry Reid blocked E-Verify in the Stimulus, and was supported by his co-conspirators–Pelosi, Robert Menendez, Gutierrez, Feinstein, Senators Levin and Stabenow, Congressman Dingell and anonymous lawmakers, who no sympathy for the US Workers. They have become subservient to big business welfare. Hidden grants from the Ford foundation that attracts such organisations as La Raza, Mecha, MALDEF and a whole retinue of ethnocentric delusional entities that are trying to erode our Constitution and Rule of Law.
E-Verify is the most powerful asset we have to halt parasite employers from stealing jobs from Americans. Contractors on construction site seeing an extra dollar they can make from hiring an illegal worker. If we only enforce our immigration laws–threaten company executives with prison, the millions unable to find employment will go home. Visa over-stayers and border jumpers will find it impossible to live here. Help ICE and report suspicious activity in the workplace. Demand E-verify TODAY. Don’t procrastinate? Call the Capitol: (202) 224-3121 Call Harry Reid: 202.224.3542 and 202.224.5556 Call President Obama: 202-456-1111.
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Posted by Casca2386 on 03/08/09 at 7:08PM
Our country is singing the blues about 651, 000 Americans jobless in February and yet some of our own politicians call for even more visas for cheap foreign labor? Even refuses to seal the undermanned borders with the National guard–to stop the never ending stream of poverty?
Every year this nation settles over a million legal immigrants, far more than any society on mother earth? We give more money to impoverished nations around the world, than the majority of the richest governments. Yet in our own land of plenty, thousands of American children starve in the Appalchian region of W. Virginia, as they do in a our cities with single mothers trying to live on church handouts and meager welfare.
Yet the people who we elected ignore the fact that THE PEOPLE , do not want any more illegal aliens stealing jobs from American Workers. We do not need any more imported cheap professional labor. We already have the “1986 Immigration Control Act” on the books, so we don’t need Ted Kennedy lying to us, that their “Will be no more Amnesties.” We need E-Verify enacted now! Not for 5 years—but in perpetuity? Senator Harry Reid blocked E-Verify in the Stimulus, and was supported by his co-conspirators–Pelosi, Robert Menendez, Gutierrez, Feinstein, Senators Levin and Stabenow, Congressman Dingell and anonymous lawmakers, who no sympathy for the US Workers. They have become subservient to big business welfare. Hidden grants from the Ford foundation that attracts such organisations as La Raza, Mecha, MALDEF and a whole retinue of ethnocentric delusional entities that are trying to erode our Constitution and Rule of Law.
E-Verify is the most powerful asset we have to halt parasite employers from stealing jobs from Americans. Contractors on construction site seeing an extra dollar they can make from hiring an illegal worker. If we only enforce our immigration laws–threaten company executives with prison, the millions unable to find employment will go home. Visa over-stayers and border jumpers will find it impossible to live here. Help ICE and report suspicious activity in the workplace. Demand E-verify TODAY. Don’t procrastinate? Call the Capitol: (202) 224-3121 Call Harry Reid: 202.224.3542 and 202.224.5556 Call President Obama: 202-456-1111.
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Posted by srwmww on 03/08/09 at 7:30PM
JUDGEM3 12:52 PM. We read the same 10:13 AM post.Do you work for a living?
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Posted by Ali999 on 03/08/09 at 8:14PM
“Americans don’t choose to do those kinds of jobs anymore,” he said. “It’s hard work, with your hands. Try working 10 hours in the rain all day digging trees.”
Now, why do athletes “play” in freezing rain and mud? Because they’re paid big bucks. Same with Americans. Pay them enough and they’ll do any job. For that matter, most illegal aliens are NOT out in the fields, but doing jobs Americans definitely do do, such as construction.
As for “guest worker” programs, we already have them, the H2 visas for seasonal agricultural workers and for other unskilled workers. Guess what? As long as employers can get illegal aliens who’ll work cheaper and don’t need paperwork, employers will prefer them to using legal programs.
ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW IS A PRE-CONDITION FOR ANY PROGRAM, FOR ANY IMMIGRATION POLICY TO WORK. If government can’t or won’t enforce current law, then there’s no reason to believe it would be different with amnesty. In fact, we’ve already seen with the 1986 amnesty that enforcement never gets done–we just get more illegal immigration.
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Posted by toolatesmart on 03/08/09 at 8:29PM
Hitler lives! Jeff Davis, too! Notice how many folks need to scrapegoat somebody for the results of their own greed, sloth or just foolishness. We get big houses also cheap food in stores and restaurants. Now these bums complain because they hear a language once in a while that they never bothered to learn.
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Posted by 97030jecg on 03/08/09 at 8:38PM
There’s not much I can add that others haven’t said. The author is obviously on the wrong side of the debate, what little debate there is. It’s only the cultural elite, unscrupulously business owners and the politicians they’ve bought off that side with the illegals.
As the author can obviously see, the opinion of the minions, us little uneducated working people, are in violent opposition to amnesty and privileges for illegal aliens.
IN THIS TIME OF RECORD UNEMPLOYMENT, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR A SINGLE ILLEGAL ALIEN TO HOLD A JOB IN OREGON. AS THE RAID IN WASHINGTON A FEW WEEKS AGO SHOWS, THERE ARE $30, $40 and $50 AN HOUR JOBS GOING TO ILLEGALS.
NO ONE CAN CONVINCE ME THAT AMERICANS WOULDN’T DO THOSE JOBS, WITH PRIDE. ARTICLES LIKE THIS NEVER MENTION THAT WHEN ICE RAIDS TAKE PLACE, THE CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE QUICKLY REPLACED BY AMERICAN CITIZENS.
Printing articles like this is why the Oregonian is going bust. The paper is anti-business, anti-citizen , anti-traditional American values and pro-whacko policy. It’s spits in the faces of it’s customers and whines that it’s losing readerships. I’ll be pleased top see the “rag” Oregonian go bust and shut its doors. Good riddance!
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Posted by BellaBelotti on 03/08/09 at 10:40PM
Oregonian, you should be ashamed for printing such a fluff piece like this regarding such a serious issue.Gosia Wozniacka, you have not been involved in the illegal alien issue very long in Oregon, have you?
The newspaper headline read, “Rare allies on immigration front”. BS! The non-profit illegal alien rights groups, the Catholic church, the Service Employees International Union and unsrupulous employers have been conspiring for years to defeat the immigration laws of the United States.
You quoted CAUSA’s Francisco Lopez as saying, “Our goal is to find common ground.” BS!CAUSA’s website makes the following declaration,”We reject ‘enforcement only’ and ‘enforcement first’ proposals, as well as proposals without a clear path to citizenship.”
“The coalition, which represents more than 300,000 workers in nurseries, construction, dairy farms and other top industries”BS!The coalition represents illegal aliens in the fields of agriculture, construction and fast food. The coalition inflates the number by including legitimate workers under the umbrella of the coalition.
“The unions want unauthorized immigrant workers legalized so leaders can better advocate for employee rights in the workplace.”BS!These unions already have large numbers of illegal alien members. The unions are trying to maintain their membership. They are afraid of American workers. Americans might not want to join their union, decertify it or certainly demand the union get off its butt and provide better wages and working conditions. SEIU works closely with the illegal day labor site for illegal aliens in Portland. The following are PCUN’s stated goals;”1. Reward work by granting legal status to hardworking, taxpaying, law-abiding immigrant workers already established in the United States;2. Renew our democracy by clearing a path to citizenship and full political participation for our newest Americans; 3. Restore labor protections so that all workers, including immigrant workers, have the right to fair treatment on the job; 4. Reunite families in a timely fashion by streamlining our outdated immigration policies; and 5. Respect the civil rights and civil liberties of all so that immigrants are treated equally under the law, the federal government remains subject to checks and balances, and civil rights laws are meaningfully enforced.”Is this a labor union or a political organization? Please note that when illegal immigration supporters talk about illegal immigrants, they always say, “immigrant.” They refuse to acknowledge the existance of illegal immigrants and refuse to use that term.
“We’re going back to our basic faith values around justice, human dignity and the inherent value of all people,” said Sarah Loose, coordinator of Oregon New Sanctuary Movement”BS!”The Oregon New Sanctuary Movement (ONSM) is an interfaith coalition of over 20 different faith communities, called by our faith to respond actively and publicly to the suffering of our immigrant brothers and sisters residing in the United States.We stand together in our faith that everyone, regardless of national origin, has basic common rights, including but not limited to: 1) livelihood; 2) family unity; and 3) physical and emotional safety. We witness the violation of these rights under current immigration policy, particularly in the separation of children from their parents due to unjust deportations, and in the exploitation of immigrant workers. We are deeply grieved by the violence done to families through immigration raids. We cannot in good conscience ignore such suffering and injustice.”Is this a church organization or a political organization? Again, notice how they refuse to differentiate between legal and illegal immigration.St. Francis Catholic Church in Portland has actively supported illegal immigration for years.
In conslusion, this article is total BS. The illegal alien non-profits, the Catholic Church, the illegal alien labor unions and unscrupulous employers have been conspiring for years and it is NOT NEWS. Stop the tax exempt status of the non-profits and churches that become politically active and oppose the enforcement of the very laws which make our country great.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/08/09 at 10:44PM
i know of illegal alien construction workers who make $20 per hour cash, and i know of illegal alien union workers who get $40 per hr. plus bennies, and you cant get into the union if youre not salvadoran. how many of you liberal pencil pushers make $40 per hour plus benefits?
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Posted by jackal18 on 03/08/09 at 11:21PM
You’re completely shortsighted.
Everyone agrees that the borders should be protected…for many reasons other than just job security.
And yes, illegal immigrants entered in exactly that manner..illegally.
But you’re arguing what they represent to current citizens, when we need to look at what is feasible to benefit our citizens.
Are we going to be able to arrest every single illegal alien and deport them? Obviously not in a state that hates to fund state activities.
So yes, prevent new illegals from entering, but make the ones who are already here PAY TAXES!
BTW, we should look at Canada’s immigration policies. They use immigration to BETTER their country. For instance, the LEGAL immigrants that come to the US (Asians & Europeans) are highly skilled and increase our economy and economic diversity.
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Posted by timmytom on 03/08/09 at 11:40PM
hate to argue, but my relatives in toronto say its an asian city now, and they dont seem too thrilled about it. also, i saw a bit on tv recently about how hispanics are sneaking into canada from detroit now because canada gives them a year of absolutly free housing plus food and healthcare the minute they show up. thats even better than what they get here. they each get their own apt, no need to share with 12 others… we dont have to arrest them all. if our labor laws were enforced, and new laws were written banning landlords from renting to illegals they would self-deport. no work, no home, see ya!
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Posted by JUDGEM3 on 03/08/09 at 11:40PM
Yeah, LEGAL immigrants are highly skilled and increase our economy and our economic diversity.So what’s your point?
Besides that, I don’t think we should have a problem rounding up illegals. That to me looks like job opportunities for us American citizens. Let’s expand ICE.
srwmww: I don’t work for a living. I live off of financial aide and go to school, but I did work for a living. On top of that, I’ve worked in the restaurant industry along side plenty of illegals. I was wondering how you could call what oldschool had said as being racist. He didn’t say anything like, “round those spics up”, or “filthy beaners”; nothing.
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Posted by jackal18 on 03/09/09 at 12:31AM
But Timmytom, the only point I see you making then is that immigrants are bad if they’re not white? So what if there are a lot of Asian people in Toronto…
I think (with our condescending view of people around us) that all minorities are inferior. In fact, per capita, Jewish and Asian citizens have higher average education, and thus higher salaries, and health status. In turn, Asian and Jewish citizens commit violent crimes THREE times LESS than white people.
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Posted by bartlebee on 03/09/09 at 2:35AM
abeljohnson said:
“At least there are groups out there trying to actually work to repair our immigration system by remembering that at the center of the issue is human beings. It seems the anti-immigrant crowd, racists and xenophobes come out to crow everytime there are solutions put on the table. They have nothing to offer but insults and hate.
One thing is for sure, Americans and Oregonians know the hate agenda of groups like Alipac, Fair and Oregonians for Immigration Reform. I look forward to a good bill to be passed in congress that will finally put this issue to rest. Only then can these immigrant bashers finally crawl back into the holes they climbed out of.”
It seems that every time the subject of illegal immigration comes up, the pro-illegal immigration folks never seem to be able to carry on a civil debate on the issue. The main reason is that there are no valid arguments that they can make in favor of illegal immigration because to support illegal immigration is to support lawbreaking. Can you imagine if somebody came on one of these forums and said “I support bank robbers” or “I support car thieves” or “I support burglars”. And yet, every day we see people posting comments that basically say “I support illegal aliens”.
Since there are no valid arguments that the pro-illegal immigration folks can make in favor of illegal immigration, they resort to childish name-calling. They spew out much overused and generic terms like “racists” and “xenophobes” and “bigots” because that’s what they’ve been taught to do by organizations such as The National Council of La Raza (The Race) in order to push forward with their race-based agenda.
By the way abeljohnson, you remind us that illegal aliens are human beings. Well, American lawbreakers are human beings too, so what’s your point? You used the term “anti-immigrant crowd”. Actually, you left out the key word, which is “illegal”, as in “the anti-illegal immigrant crowd”. At least you got the “crowd” part right because poll after poll shows that 70-75% of Americans are opposed to illegal immigration. You said that those who are opposed to illegal immigration have nothing to offer but insults and hate. Actually you have that backwards. As you have clearly shown in your comments, it is the pro-illegal immigration folks who have nothing to offer but insults and hate. Those who are opposed to illegal immigration have made, and will continue to make, valid and rational proposals on how to deal with this very serious problem.
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Posted by LadyMunchkin on 03/09/09 at 4:43AM
I think what everyone is forgetting is that we tried Amnesty in 1986. At that time we granted amnesty to around 4 million illegal’s. Look at what that created, 12-20 million now that EXPECT to be granted amnesty. Our immigration system isn’t broken, it’s just our immigration laws have never been enforced by either party. The Repubs because of big business and the Dems for the votes. Neither party listens to what the American citizens want or need, because we aren’t the ones lining their pockets.
As for these groups that are promoting illegal aliens all are guilty of aiding and abetting and should be prosecuted. The churches should be stripped of tax exempt status, the unions should be shut down and anyone that continues to aid and abet illegal’s should be jailed.
The cost of illegal immigration is being carried on the backs of American taxpayers and legal immigrants. Last year alone it cost this country $338 BILLION to support illegal’s. Can anyone think of better ways to spend this money other than on those that shouldn’t even be here? Last year alone more than $23 BILLION was sent back to Mexico by the illegal’s, making this the second largest source of income to that country. Of course Mexico wants illegal’s here, they’re a great source of money for the country. But that money does nothing to help it’s own people and make their lives better. Why is that?
To those that promote illegal’s, all you have left is name calling because your arguments to promote illegal activity are failing. You should be ashamed of yourselves. If you look closely at “LaRaza” you will see that they are the largest racist group in this country. Can you imagine if a group of whites had a motto that stated “For the race everything, for those outside the race, nothing.” I believe they would be called the “K-K-K”, now that’s racist. Those of us that don’t support illegal immigration only want our laws enforced. All we want is our country respected and our sovereignty guaranteed. If that makes us racists in your minds, then so be it.
Our country is crumbling around us and we are losing 650,000 jobs a month. Please wake up and tell your government that illegal immigration will no longer be tolerated by Americans that are struggling to survive. I belive that Americans will do any job if it means their families won’t starve. If American citizens break the laws of this land we expect to pay the consequences for that decision. Why should illegal’s be any different? Yes, we are all humans, but everyone has to obey the law. Just try to live in Mexico illegally and see what happens to you. If we would adopt the immigration laws of Mexico, we wouldn’t have an illegal alien problem.
So if you want America to become a 3rd world country, sit on your backsides and do nothing. But if you want America to survive as the greatest nation on earth, start making noise now to stop the next amnesty that is assuredly being worked on. Start writing letters to your congress rats and tell them we will not allow this to happen. It’s up to all of us to do whatever we can to push for what is good for America and it’s citizens. Demand that those that come here do it legally and give up all allegiance to the country they left behind.
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Posted by srwmww on 03/09/09 at 7:20AM
JUDGEM3, oldschoolduk wrote–just doin the work americans won’t do…murder, drugs, kidnapping, rape. Sounds racist to me. Most immigrants are honest, hard working people trying to support a family. How many of the immigrants you worked with were any of the above?
Great that you are in school. Good luck.
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Posted by rocky4321 on 03/09/09 at 7:53AM
white and black people always like to complain about everything,not fair, racical,get off your ass and get a job,no one owe you anything ,if you think your such as good in what you do,then you shouldn’t have any problem finding work,white people always complaining about pay,not enough money,will your the cause of what’s going on,because when you ask for a raise then that forces employers to raise their price then what,everyone else start raising their prices then next thing company start to crumbal,stop being so geedy.
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Posted by 97030jecg on 03/09/09 at 7:57AM
Watch the evening news. Let’s see, if we crack down on criminal illegal aliens we’ll have less:
Statutory RapeRapeMurderArmed RobberyID TheftMail TheftTax EvasionDrug TraffickingDrug SmugglingUnlicensed Driving Uninsured DrivingDrunk DrivingBurglaryHuman Trafficking
Who stomped the neck of that young girl from Texas, who was visiting her sister in Oregon City last year? Was it an American? Was it a legal immigrant? Nope, it was two violent criminals who snuck across the border and killed that poor child.
IF THEY WERE NOT HERE, SHE AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE. THAT’S A FACT THAT LULAC, LA RAZA AND CAUSA AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE!
Why would anyone want to reduce those things?
It’s worth it to have cheap tomatoes and to be able to underpay American workers.
Maybe it’s because we’re racists!
Let’s label everyone who believes in law and order as racists. That’s great, that way we can distract from the real problems and make the good people in this debate look like hate mongers.
Legal immigrants welcome, illegal aliens not welcome. DO NOT call an illegal alien an immigrant; it’s insulting to hard working, law abiding, legal immigrants.
I know someone out there will say, how do you know they’re illegal. When I see a story on the news that I suspect is committed by an illegal alien, I resarch and confirm through online jail records that I am correct. My suspicions have only been wrong once since I started this over a ear ago.
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Posted by PortTabacco on 03/09/09 at 8:24AM
The American people have spoken loud and clear!
We don’t want another amnesty ever again!Has anyone gone to Los Angeles California lately?
Many areas in that once beautiful city now looklike Tijuana!Drive down and see for yourselves.Graffiti, gangs, taco trucks in the street and fighting to bring more. If you want this culture in the U.S. go ahead and allow yet another amnesty.But first go to Mexico and see what you are asking for.The U.S. was fine without amnesties for lawbreakers that can care less of the U.S.
The people overwhelmingly voted in Prop. 187and Mexico with the help of our traitorouspolitical leaders squashed that proposition.Get off your duff and protest yet another amnesty.Which is a free ride in the U.S. for Mexicoand their responsibility for their own.
http://www.numbersusa.com/ register for freefaxes to your Reps. NOW!
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Posted by timmytom on 03/09/09 at 8:59AM
illegal aliens are parasites. if you dont tolerate fleas and ticks on your dogs and cats, why would you let them live in your pockets?
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Posted by julietellen on 03/09/09 at 9:06AM
One more time I read the posts after one of these stories and my belief that our species is doomed is reaffirmed. Who are you people and how did you get to be so hateful? I don’t even know how I feel half the time about the immigration issue, its so complex. One thing that I don’t find acceptable is to be hateful and vitriolic. Seriously, some of the people on this post come across as downright evil. I guess if you really think Portland is unacceptably populated by crazy liberals you could just move to somewhere you’d feel more comfortable. Or maybe those types of comments are written by people who have been to PDX four times in their lives?
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Posted by xoregonian on 03/09/09 at 9:19AM
97030 you are sooo 100% correct.
get ICE IN there arrest and deport every single illegal and wala problem solved.
julietellen if your so for the amnesty of those illegals…. YOU TAKE THEM IN AND SUPPORT THEM.TEACH THEM TO SPEAK ENGLISH.get real…..
we’re not evil we just look at reality. and they are taking over and ruining America.
are u aware that in mexico there is an organization that PAYS
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Posted by xoregonian on 03/09/09 at 9:19AM
97030 you are sooo 100% correct.
get ICE IN there arrest and deport every single illegal and wala problem solved.
julietellen if your so for the amnesty of those illegals…. YOU TAKE THEM IN AND SUPPORT THEM.TEACH THEM TO SPEAK ENGLISH.get real…..
we’re not evil we just look at reality. and they are taking over and ruining America.
are u aware that in mexico there is an organization that PAYS
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Posted by 97030jecg on 03/09/09 at 9:24AM
julietellen – What’s hateful about wanting people to follow the law, wait in line and contribute in a positive manner to our society?
Do you deny that the items I listed on my post are perpetrated in higher (percentage) numbers by illegal aliens, than by citizens?
How many American citizens would you allow to steal an identity to get ahead financially?
It seems that you so called tolerant types have two sets of standards, one for hard working American and another for miscreants.
The sad part is greedy business lobbies like the US Chamber of Commerce have duped you uber- tolerant types into being part of their scheme.
If we let you guys have what you want, without a fight, ten years from now you’d be crying “What happened to my country?”
By the way julietellen, you’re are in a very small minority. Every credible poll has Americans in opposition to Amnesty and for illegal immigration enforcement at around 70%. Only 30% of you wingnuts think we should give up our country and let the criminals take overe. I suspect a large part of that 30% is comprised by bsuinesses that want an unfair advantage in the marketplace.
By the way you blowhard, I’m a native of Portland that has watched my city turned into a gang infested dump as a result of this problem. Don’t label me people who have been to PDX four times in their lives. Go back to Berkley!
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Posted by xoregonian on 03/09/09 at 9:24AM
jullietellen
you must be an illegal. if your not…you take them in feed and cloth them teach them english.
or maybe just send them all home.arrest deport that should be the chant.
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Posted by PortTabacco on 03/09/09 at 10:10AM
JULIETELLIN
We are hateful?
Try living in Maywood California and see what real hate you will discover for not being Hispanic in that neighborhood.
You are ignorant!
check out
http://www.wehategringos.com/
See who is hateful!
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Posted by xlntzee56 on 03/09/09 at 10:47AM
justellen, I agree with you. Hateful, pitiful bigots dominate this thread. Makes me ashamed that people are so cruel to other human beings. I am curious as to how many would identify themselves as “Christian”.
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Posted by sie4 on 03/09/09 at 10:47AM
Encore:”XXXXXX XXXXXXX Says:
February 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pm Since when did “illegals” have any “rights”? I also was told that according to the Mexican Constitution, a Mexican citizen having a child in another country means that child is still a Mexican citizen, period. These scumbags are fleecing the American citizens for everything they can! Deport every single one of them and their kids.”But it’s not just oregon these (inappropriate term) have infiltrated the far reaches of the US. Gee we should all just show good US hospitality and give up Viva la desert Bush and road kill! (NOT)Not to mention on their voyages across the desert they become slobs, littering their paths to freedom for some one else to pick up. Such as suggested before drop em off in Arizona and hav em pick trash back to the fence they crossed in the beginning
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Posted by 97030jecg on 03/09/09 at 10:54AM
julietellen – Your silence is deafening. Could you perhaps be wrong? Or maybe, you don’t have facts to back up your position. I know with you feel gooders, it’s always about how you feel, not right or wrong or facts and figures.
Check your credit report.
Would you still feel the same way if the IRS comes knocking on your door looking for the taxes an illegal didn’t pay, while using your SSN?
Would you still feel the same way if a young relative of yours has her neck stepped on and is systematically raped and murdered like the young girl in Oregon City?
Would you still feel the same way if you are critically injured and have to wait in line behind a hord of people getting treated for the sniffles or a sinus infection?
Do you enjoy paying more for healthcare while illegal aliens drive up the prices clogging up the ER?
Do you think that the economy of California would be on the brink of collapse if illegal aliens hadn’t swarmed the state? Do you think they could easily balance their budget if they were rid of the financial burden?
Get a clue, this is about people who want to feed from the trough and the bsuinesses that want cheap labor. Meanwhile the rest of us get hosed and are called racists and hateful when we object.
What can we expect from a city that tolerates a pedophile liar staying on board as the mayor.
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Posted by xlntzee56 on 03/09/09 at 10:54AM
oops! “justellen” should read “julietellen”. Sorry about that!
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Posted by Kybusch18 on 03/09/09 at 10:58AM
I wonder if Obama is ready to admit to the fact that Mexico is more dangerous to America now than Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and Syria all combined.
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Posted by 97030jecg on 03/09/09 at 11:03AM
xlntzee56 – If being anti-crime and pro-law enforcement makes me a bigot, I’ll wear it proudly.
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Posted by shallowender on 03/09/09 at 11:22AM
I love a meltdown, and this subject always brings it on.
New Law: If you hire an individual and that person is illegal or not allowed to work (visa restrictions do exist), you pay $100,000 fine Per Person Per Day. If you don’t have the cash, you go to jail and work off your debt at minimum wage (minus room and board including cost of guards). The jobs will immediately disappear.
New Law: If you are here illegally, and have otherwise been employed, paid taxes, stayed out of trouble (with the law), learned English, and tried to assimilate, you should get a path to citizenship, and a preference on legal residency which needs to be filed back in your home country with the US embassy. Then you can return and be a legal resident and hopefully become a productive citizen.
Oh, and all you conservative and liberal pukes out there who love name-calling: You’re all still pukes. Both sides of this debate have valid points, but too much of the argument is couched in rhetoric, and the “NO COMPROMISE” stances guarantee that nothing happens.
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Posted by xlntzee56 on 03/09/09 at 11:23AM
97030jecg -The last time I had to wait in line at the ER, it was because I was in line behind a white woman with a passel of sniffling children.The rape and murder of the 13 year old in Vancouver last month was done by a white man with a GPS device on his ankle.The last ID theft I read about was a 60+ y/o white man who they were choosing to let go because he was dying of cancer and wanted to die at home after 23 years of breaking the law.My point is that the scenarios you mention, are not solely committed by undocumented workers as you seem to suggest. There are bad people of every color and stripe out there. Just as there are good people among the illegal Mexicans you seem to be targeting. (Yes, I hear your argument that they are not “good” because they are here illegally, and therefore, law breakers.)
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Posted by camlon on 03/09/09 at 11:45AM
Have these morons seen the unemployment statistics!We don’t need their labor or their financial drag on our services. Besides once they become ‘legal’ do you really think they will have the same appeal to these groups when they demand real wages! They like illegals now because they work for peanuts and you don’t have to give them benefits. Where’s the allure when you have to abide by the law. This will only flood our country with millions of unskilled unemployed ‘legal’ workers on the government dole. They will undoubtedly repay Democrats with their loyalty for decades to come. This is not about the plight of the illegal it is about power. Long live Obama and the U.S.S.R (United States Socialist Republic)
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Posted by 97030jecg on 03/09/09 at 11:47AM
xlntzee56 – You miss the point (I’m guessing purposefully). If they were not here, the opportunity would not exist for them to commit the crimes.
You are being intellectually dishonest, when you spin the truth, to make it look like these crimes are only committed by American citizens.
I NEVER mentioned race, you however brought race into the discussion. That seems to be the only direction that people on the wrong side of this argument (and the law) can take the discussion.
You have lost any credibility you may have had by bringing race into this.
Do you deny that the girl killed in Oregon City was killed by two illegal aliens? Do you deny that if they had not been here, she would likely be alive?
This is fact you can try to get your head around, our prisons are disproportionately populated with people illegally in the country, regardless of race.
Do you think that illegal aliens only come from Mexico?
Do they come from other countries?
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Posted by SiuslawAlum7 on 03/09/09 at 12:36PM
jackal18…look at the web site I posted about the deportation of illegals after WW2 and after the Korean War..If they could do it then..why can’t they do it ((( NOW…)))
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Posted by JUDGEM3 on 03/09/09 at 1:52PM
xlntzee56: It’s all good and well that some portion of crimes, whatever that portion is, aren’t committed by illegal aliens. The point that I am making, is that I don’t have to put up with those crimes brought to us by illegal alien criminals. The white criminals, I do have to up with. I have a solution for that as well, but that’s for a different forum.
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Posted by ctesiphon on 03/09/09 at 1:58PM
illegal immigration is breaking and entering. i must’ve missed the bulletin about the decriminalization of that one. can someone post a link to that? i’m curious to read where it says that it is ok for certain people under certain circumstances to break into a sovereign nation.
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Posted by JUDGEM3 on 03/09/09 at 2:10PM
Apparently Obama feels that it’s ok to give stimulus money to some 300,000 illegals. Isn’t that illegal also? I mean, seriously, isn’t that f__kin’ illegal!?
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Posted by jexpat on 03/09/09 at 2:14PM
SiuslawAlum7 wrote:
jackal18…look at the web site I posted about the deportation of illegals after WW2 and after the Korean War..If they could do it then..why can’t they do it ((( NOW…)))———
Systematially rounding up, housing and deporting 10 million+ people is not only INSANE but phenominally expensive and logistically unworkable.
Won’t even bother to go into the matter of human rights- or the fact that it won’t resolve the issues….
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Posted by PortTabacco on 03/09/09 at 4:20PM
xlntzee56The subject here is “illegal immigration”.We are not discussing American criminals.But since you are on this subject do we needforeign criminal too?
Boy how lame some Americans are.Like xIntzee56.
I know, illegal immigration hasn’t hit Oregon likeit has Mexifornia.
Wait until it does!
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Posted by PortTabacco on 03/09/09 at 4:24PM
Check out what Americans in California go through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rjsDVq8qw&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUviVxCg6ww
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Posted by ctesiphon on 03/09/09 at 6:01PM
illegal immigrants want to be treated like US citizens, while maintaining national loyalty to their country of origin. the call for amnesty is an assertion of power by outsiders against the american nation. last time i checked, subversive activities of this nature were considered treasonous at best, an act of war at worst. there are a number of mexican and hispanic advocacy groups, which more or less support, advocate, or have a revolutionary agenda of conquering america’s southwest.
the US is becoming a bi-lingual nation without debate or forethought. look around the world and show me a nation that is successful that does not have one national language. the histories of bi-cultural and bi-lingual countries that do not assimilate are histories of conflict and tension. america is becoming “balkanized” and we sit around with our proverbial thumbs up our collective asses. bienvenidos en la unidos estados de mexico! have a nice day!
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Posted by BellaBelotti on 03/09/09 at 8:20PM
Today’s Oregonian front page headline reads, “In Detroit, houses cost less than cars”The story is about housing prices in Detroit, now that most industries and the auto industry are either dead or dying in Detroit.The story wasn’t about the people who used to live in those houses. It was about what a great investment those houses are for investors, domestic and foreign.
My 63 year old sister, in the former industrial state of Ohio, works full time and just bought her home for $1,200. Yes, one thousand two hundred dollars. It’s a trailer home. The southwestern Ohio city she lives in, and where I grew up, has become a ghost town. First the industries went overseas. Then the Mexicans came. The businesses and shopping centers are dropping like flys. The only reason to go downtown is to pay parking fines or do other government business.
Yesterday’s headline story in the Oregonian told of the plight of poor illegal Mexican immigrants in the United States and how several Latino non-profits, the Catholic church and a few Latino and greedy labor unions are uniting to help the illegal Mexicans. This makes me want to vomit.
Why are not the poor of Americas’s inner cities, dying former industrial cities, Appalachia and the poor rural south receiving the efforts of the Latino non-profits, Latino and greedy labor unions, the Catholic Church and the Oregonian?
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